The Myth of Pushing Through

Exhausted? You're not imagining it — and you're not alone.

In episode 198 of The Empowered & Embodied Show, Kim Romain and Louise Neil get real about the collective weight so many of us are carrying right now: the bone-deep tiredness, the emotional overwhelm, and the quiet shame that shows up when we think we should be handling it better. We explore what it actually means to honor what you're feeling instead of rushing past it — and why the path forward isn't a massive overhaul, but a series of tiny, honest movements toward yourself.

In this episode, we dig into:

• Why exhaustion and emotional overload are showing up everywhere right now and why that matters
• How shame and guilt compound depletion and make it harder to recover
• Why "fine" isn't neutral, but a slow drain that's harder to escape 
• How survival mode is quietly shrinking our sense of what's possible
• What it means to honor your "am-ness" by meeting yourself where you actually are instead of where you think you should be
• Why micro-movements, micro-joys, and small honest adjustments are enough

Key Moments

00:00 Introduction and Connection 

04:16 Navigating Emotional Exhaustion 

06:48 The Impact of External Energy 

09:14 Honoring Our Emotions 

11:42 Understanding Exhaustion and Guilt 

14:16 Finding Micro Joys 

16:54 Survival Mode vs. Thriving 

19:16 Breaking Free from 'Fine' 

21:51 Micro Adjustments for Change 

24:35 The Power of Tiny Habits 

27:22 Closing Thoughts and Reflections

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Micro-shifts video series: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_z45Gwg5RxSHIGzji8rO3q1n3YGfOLCc&si=0lmqL7ByRi-kZKxe
• Spoon theory explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5IBsm49Rk

A note for our listeners: If what we're describing feels like more than micro-movements can reach right now, please know that's okay too, and there is support available.

• In the US: Call or text 988 (Suicide & Crisis Lifeline) | Text HOME to 741741 (Crisis Text Line) | NAMI Helpline: 1-800-950-6264
• In Canada: Call 1-833-456-4566 (Crisis Services Canada) | Text 45645 | cmha.ca to find local support
• Crisis Text Line also serves the UK and Ireland — text HOME to 85258
• Find a therapist: psychologytoday.com or therapyden.com
• International crisis center directory: iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres

Join a circle of changemakers committed to leading with purpose, presence and ease inside Kim's Rising Visionaries mentorship program.

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Transcript

Louise (00:00)
All the energy in the world could be pouring into you and there are some times where you're just exhausted and it doesn't have anything to do with anybody else other than you are tired.

Kim Romain (00:12)
If you knew the number of people that I've been talking to who are experiencing the exact same thing, myself included, let's let's normalize it.

please don't shame yourself. Please don't feel worse about feeling depleted because it's depleting times.

Well, hello, hello, hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Empowered and Embodied show. I am one of your co-hosts, as always, Kim Romain, joined by the lovely and the wonderful.

Louise (01:50)
That's me, I'm Louise. How many times have you said that? How many times have you said that? Well, not lovely and wonderful, but how many times have you introduced me?

Kim Romain (01:52)
Hey, Louise.

Lovely and wonderful.

Well, we're coming up on 200. Yeah.

Louise (02:02)
I know, right?

A hundred times. Yeah. yeah.

Kim Romain (02:05)
Yeah.

Four years.

Four years of weekly introductions.

Louise (02:12)
Hahaha

I hope you don't get tired of doing it.

Kim Romain (02:15)
Yay!

I

don't know. It's exciting. I love doing it. always, no matter what mood or what baggage I bring into the space, the minute I start saying it, it's like, yeah, here we are again. And we get to pour into each other and then pour into our listeners and just show up in a way that...

Louise (02:28)
Hahaha!

Yeah.

Kim Romain (02:40)
I don't get to show up in other places like this very often. And so it's just nice to be in dialogue, be in conversation. again, just kind of, I use the term again, like pour into each other and then into our listeners. Yeah.

Louise (02:51)
Yeah, yeah,

yeah. We say it every week too in our intro that we're not here as experts, that we're not here because we haven't all figured out we're here because we're figuring it out. And we want to share our journey and what we're learning and seeing in the world too and sharing our perspective on things. Yeah.

Kim Romain (03:11)
Absolutely. Yeah, I know. It's so interesting when you're talking about our perspectives and what we're seeing in the world, because we both have what's happening in our own lives, which at any given moment is woo-hoo and ooh, right?

Louise (03:28)
We're at the same time even.

Kim Romain (03:29)
Or

at the same time even, exactly. And then we have all of these people that we talk to every week. Sometimes it's the same people week after week, sometimes it's new people, and we're collecting information. And I always feel like, well, I don't always know every headline that's happening. I do know a lot, but I'm not so dialed in. And yet I'm really clear about what's happening.

because of the number of people that we talk to during the week, just hearing the threads and the themes. And this theme this week that I keep hearing over and over again is how tired and how emotional, right? It's like both of those words keep coming up. It's like, I'm feeling a lot and I'm really tired. Like I'm exhausted level tired. sound familiar to you?

Louise (04:16)
To me, yes. And to the folks that I'm talking to as well. It's always interesting because there's all of these places where we get and give energy. It's external and there's a lot of different external places that can give us energy or can, I'm going to say rob it, but take it from us maybe without permission.

And then there's that internal space too around where we feel we're getting filled up and also like the physicality of tiredness.

Right? All the energy in the world could be pouring into you and there are some times in midlife where you're just fucking exhausted and it doesn't have anything to do with anybody else other than you are tired.

Kim Romain (05:00)
Yeah, I'm laughing because one, I feel it. But two, it's the conversations that I have where so many people come and they're like, do you know anybody else that's experiencing this? Have you ever heard anybody do it? And it's like, yes. If you knew the number of people that I've been talking to who are experiencing the exact same thing, myself included, like. Right, let's let's normalize it.

Louise (05:22)
Yeah.

Kim Romain (05:28)
not normalize it like this is what we want, but normalize it in terms of it's okay. There's like, please don't shame yourself. Please don't feel worse about feeling depleted because it's depleting times. It is depleting times.

Louise (05:44)
And,

right. And the last thing we want to do is to like even deplete ourselves even more with shame or guilt or confusion even as like trying to figure out what is drawing your energy, trying to figure out how to fill yourself up and what you need. But I think we don't spend enough time

in our lives, kind of seeing all the places that can steal our energy or seeing all the places that can give us energy. during times like this, when we know, right, there are certain, right, the news for one can really steal our energy right now. And so

recognizing that and making changes to say, okay, well, what are those boundaries or how can I, how can I, you know, protect myself a little bit so that I'm not as depleted, but also like finding those places that are fulfilling, right? Finding those places that can replenish. And they might be different places than you are used to.

Kim Romain (06:48)
For sure, for sure. Yeah, it's so interesting. So many things that are pouring into or want to pour out of my brain right now. I was reading an article this morning about somebody who's in the mindfulness wellness space. They're a writer, primarily a writer, primarily an author, but also a teacher. And they were sharing that

It feels very weird to go out on book tour, to make all of these plans, to do all of these things when one, you feel so depleted, two, the world is on fire and in some places quite literally. There's so much that we want to do and yet there's so many hours that we want to crawl back into bed or just hug our loved ones or just feel joy for a minute.

And then, but is it okay for me to feel joy? Right? It's how we vastly in and out of all of these different places. And I feel like the more pressure we put on ourselves that this moment is supposed to be this, right? the world is on fire. So I need to pay attention to that. So I need to give it all my energy or, I feel depleted. So now I need to go focus my energy on how I can replenish myself and

feel joy and feel pleasure still while this is going on. That can deplete you even further, right? It's like, how do we come to that place of, how do we honor the moment that we're in now versus, which can, as we said at the beginning, beholding multiple things versus feeling like we need to do something else. I feel like that's a lot of it is like, and we talk about shoulding in here.

that place of I should feel this, I should do this, I should, should, should, should, versus I am. Right? I am feeling a lot of feels right now. I am feeling sad. I also feel happy about some things and excited and I'm feeling angry and I'm feeling nervous and worried. And, you know, all of that can be

right in this moment, because that's literally what I'm feeling right in this moment. But if I'm not honoring my am-ness, like what I am right now, then I'm just moving through. And it's like, I'm focusing on the things that need to be done, the responsibilities keeping my head down, which is kind of a distraction from my am-ness because it's overwhelming. So yeah, so how do we help people through that? Because I know I'm not the only one.

I mean, I know how I help people through it, but I'd love to have the conversation with you of, right, when we're experiencing all that stuff.

Louise (09:16)
You

Kim Romain (09:23)
And I know we talked last time about the word all and I just heard it again. It's so funny.

Louise (09:27)
Yeah

Kim Romain (09:28)
And yet, right, that place of noticing energetically what's actually happening, it's so different than I think we've, than I know we've been taught, right? It's if you feel depleted, if you feel upset, if you feel sad, go do something happy, go be joyful, go find the thing versus, this is what I have. This is who I am.

And how do I move with this?

I went around like 14 circles there, so pick one.

Louise (09:57)
You did. So a couple of things are coming up from what you were saying. And I think that the first thing is that we absolutely try too hard to move through a moment or move through an emotion way too quickly because we've labeled good emotions and bad emotions. Like we've labeled it like, right?

I don't want to be scared. I don't want to be sad. So let's like, let's move through that. So let's like go out and do the thing that is supposed to bring me joy or that's supposed to, right, balance the scale somehow. Let's just go do that. But really we're not, we're not sitting in this emotion for what it is without judgment, without labeling it even.

How can we just sit in it for a little bit longer and let it kind of work its way through, which is actually less depleting than trying to immediately go fill it somewhere else, right? But we don't see that or believe it, or maybe we haven't experienced it because we've labeled something like sadness, like how it feels to be something that's depleting. Sadness doesn't have to be depleting.

Kim Romain (10:53)
Yep. Yep.

Louise (11:09)
Sadness can be bring relief. Sadness can bring a sense of lightness after.

after you travel through it, right? But we try to bottle it up and push it aside or get through it as fast as we can so that we can go do that thing. And then we're over there doing that thing that's supposed to be filling our buckets and we're just like, it gets sticky. And so now that's followed us. And so now something that maybe is or used to be replenishing is no longer replenishing because

we

brought some baggage with us and it's just not working. So now we work harder at that. And now because we have to work at it, now it's depleting. And it's like, who wants happiness and joy to be work for crying out loud?

Kim Romain (11:56)
Exactly. Exactly.

Louise (11:59)
So yeah, so that's what came up for me as you were talking. The other thing that came up for me is, you know what, sometimes Kim, I am just so physically exhausted that all of those things that you just said, I don't even care.

Kim Romain (12:16)
Mm-hmm.

Louise (12:16)
I don't care. I don't care about the news. I don't care about what's happening. I don't care what's going on in my own backyard. I don't care about anything. I am just thinking about when's the next time I can nap in my schedule.

Kim Romain (12:33)
Yeah, I've had a lot of moments of exhaustion over the last few weeks, like pure exhaustion where it's like, I can't continue. I can get to the end of a call and then say, what do I have next? Nothing, great. I'm going to go lay down instead of doing any number of the other things that I would love to be working on or doing and just showing up.

Like what we were just talking about is how do we honor that? Because that's as real as the joy and the pleasure and the anger and the sadness. Like exhaustion is real. And when we try to continue to push through, it only ends one way. I mean, I've experienced burnout for four instances of burnout, clinical burnout. You've experienced it, right? It's like...

Most of our clients have experienced it or are experiencing it. So we know what happens when we do it and yet.

I don't know about you, but it took me a long time and I don't know that I'm a hundred percent there yet, but I'm close where there was a feeling of.

Well, initially it feelings of guilt, then eventually it morphed into feelings of shame. Like, how can I be this exa... What am I doing wrong that I'm so exhausted?

Louise (13:51)
Yeah. Or we can even start to mislabel like where that exhaustion comes from. Sometimes as we're going through midlife, like sleep becomes really, it's a tender spot for a lot of us. And it can be very fleeting. It can start to take on a life of its own and something that we're not used to. And

Like for me, what's kind of...

There's this guilt or this shame that gets attached to it. And then I've even had people say, right, it's like, there are some times that I need to have a nap. Like, I just can't do it. I am not sleeping well at night. I'm working on it. I am well aware of what's going on, right? And so what's my medications? What are my therapies? What's my hygiene? Like, I'm working on it. I'm not just saying, well, I'm sleeping like shit.

But as I work through it, they're all like, it's not just magically going to change. And so there's a lot of like, a little bit of guilt that comes along with it because people have said, well, you're lucky you get to nap in the afternoon.

And I'm like, I recognize there's some privilege that comes with building my business. And I don't feel very lucky when I can barely keep my eyes open or I'm not the best for my clients or I can't finish my three most important things in the day because I am just exhausted. And it's no matter how much sleep I get, I am still exhausted the next day.

Right? And so there's like all of these, now we're having feelings about feelings, right? That all get packed up and bunched up and right and bung us up. And maybe that's a different episode.

Right. So it's really interesting because it's like, yes, like sometimes like let's do the deeper work and let's understand kind of like what's stealing our energy and where are we headed or what are we bringing with us? How are we seeking joy or pleasure in our lives? And sometimes it's like, how am I just keeping the lights on? And how can I do that? And how do I stop?

because we can't go through life or midlife just keeping the lights on. That's not a very, that's not very fun. That sounds like another F word. That sounds like.

Kim Romain (16:07)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well, and that's how, I mean, I remember when we first started this podcast, we talked about fine a lot, the nasty F word, fine. And so much has happened in the world in the past four years. And I think we are at a time where, no, we don't want to be focused on fine, right? We still want to

Louise (16:09)
Right?

You

Kim Romain (16:30)
find our way through to something more, I want to say expansive, something that feels more authentic to us than fine. Because we are all here. Every single one of the eight billion of us or however many there are on this planet, we're all here with our own personal agency, our own authority, our own autonomy, even those of us that live somewhere that we can't

practice it, it still exists.

And how do we start to take tiny micro bursts of that to live our lives for us? Not for the machine, not for the man, not for the right, not for what we've created and built as humans. Because I think that's so much of what I'm seeing right now is survival mode. How do I just get through the day, right?

Louise (17:16)
Yeah.

Kim Romain (17:20)
I have so much I want to do, and that's what I'm saying, right? It's like the 17 things that you're feeling at once. And then you just kind of just put the blinders on and you just do the thing or you feel the feels and whatever, but it's still survival mode. It's how do I get through this moment? How do I get through this day? It was interesting. was talking with a friend of mine who had recently been through a training program that I think is called...

bridges out of poverty or something like that. And it's talking about the different spheres of influence that we have based on kind of where we are socioeconomically. And at one end of the spectrum when we're in poverty, right, it's how do I get through? And it used to be, how do I get through the week? Middle class was, how do I get through the next five to 10 years? And wealthy was, how do I, like,

How am I planning past 20 years? And what I'm noticing is those spheres, one, are getting a little bit more muddied, but two, I'm seeing it that time has shortened, right? It's not how do I get through a week? It's how do I get through the day? And those that are in the middle class are experiencing that too. And it's right, it's how do I get through the month? And that's a socioeconomic thing. So we have the physical part, the physiological aspects of

what's shifting and changing and how are we adapting to those shifts and changes. We have the socioeconomic thing that is weighing on us as well that also shortens the timeframe that we can be fine.

And the longer we stay in fine, the more that habit becomes almost locked in and the harder it is to break free from.

Louise (18:55)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Fine becomes something that we get comfortable with very quickly, quicker than you think, because fine feels like a okay state to be in, because it's not depleting, or we think it's not depleting.

Kim Romain (19:16)
I going say,

but is it? I think it is depleting. think fine is not sustainable.

Louise (19:22)
It's not, but it feels like it in the moment because things can be so much worse. See how our brains do that, right? Yeah.

Kim Romain (19:34)
I think about folks that it is worse. I talk to a lot of folks that it is worse. I can't imagine more challenging situations, personally, financially, physically, whatever they're going through. That aspect of themselves could not feel worse. They could not be experiencing worse. And that is also

how they're approaching everything else.

So.

And this is not said from a place of everything needs to have sparkles and rainbows on it and we're gonna move you there. It's how do we slightly move you off of fine, right? I think of spoon theory here, right? How many spoons do I have in a day, like energetically? And how can I make it so that my spoons aren't either all full or all empty, right? How can I find a way?

to moderate my spoons so that I'm moving out of, well, one out of just surviving and then moving beyond fine to how can I do that to make it a little bit more sustainable.

Louise (20:39)
Yeah, yeah. And it's interesting because I think that's different for everyone, right? But it is that understanding of like an evaluation of like, so what is going on today, right? How are my spoons? Even that recognition that it changes throughout the day. And where can we start to make changes, but where can we start to notice patterns?

Kim Romain (21:04)
Yeah. Yep.

Louise (21:05)
Right?

Yeah, and we miss our data points when we're not paying attention to the day, right? And we start collecting this so we can notice patterns. And then we have actionable, like something to actually hang on to and create an actionable plan to make change to that pattern that comes back to ourself, right? Our autonomy, we do get to change.

and make those adjustments. That's all in our control.

Kim Romain (21:34)
Yeah, and it is those micro adjustments and it's based on not just our internal awareness, right? I think it is done in connection with external awareness as well. right, understanding where we can more easily shift some levers for ourself, right? Depending on what our circumstances are, where we live, you know, how

Louise (21:44)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

huh.

Kim Romain (21:57)
deep we are in systemic oppression. Some people aren't going to have a lot of levers.

Louise (22:00)
Yeah.

Kim Romain (22:05)
So let's find the ones that are accessible.

Louise (22:07)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely. I see that so much in clients that I work long term with. so clients that I'm working, you know, six, eight, 12 months. It's so interesting because it's like they have these like big goals at the beginning of our coaching. And it's like, yeah, this is this is what's going to happen. This is these are all the things. And usually kind of one of the like underpinning things is I'd like to be more confident. I like to have less self doubt and I have to be more more sure. Like I'd like

Kim Romain (22:14)
Mm-hmm.

Louise (22:37)
clarity around like where am I having what am I doing it with my with my life slash career, but really with your life and It's so interesting because as we go through our program It's not about these big like aha moments. It's not about these big changes that anybody makes It's like what are you? What are you fine-tuning this week? What are you fine-tuning? Right this this month. What are you fine-tuning?

And you get to the end of our program and you look back and it's like, so like, right, how are you feeling? What has changed? It's like, I have more clarity. I'm more confident. I have less self doubt. And it's like, did we have one conversation about clarity, self doubt or confidence? And they're like, no. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. Because it is in those micro moments. It's in the collection of, right, all of those drops of water in the bucket.

but we have to be paying attention.

Kim Romain (23:33)
Yeah. Do remember when we ran that program about all the little micro shifts that you can make? Yeah. Yeah. I think the videos are still available on YouTube as well. And it's true. those little micro adjustments. I have one client who we were talking about wonder and awe and I was in a group session. were talking about wonder and awe and how we can

Louise (23:37)
We did. Yeah, we did that on LinkedIn. Yeah. Yeah.

Kim Romain (23:57)
welcome in a little bit more of that and what that does for us when we do it. And it was so funny because initially it was like it wasn't landing, it wasn't landing, it wasn't landing. And then all of a sudden there was a post and they said, it's micro joy for me.

I'm like, cool, you found your way to it because right, it's allowing ourselves to understand it in our own way. So when I talk about wonder and awe, that felt way too big. That felt unattainable. How can I have wonder and awe? Like I can't experience that. I feel compressed right now. So, but Microjoy was super accessible and now is something that they have.

Louise (24:28)
Yeah.

Yes.

Kim Romain (24:41)
instilled in every day. This is now a practice. Where's that micro joy?

Louise (24:46)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, it's like it's on the basis of the tiny habits, right? And understanding that it is these small things. Whether it's understanding what's depleting you, right? And making small changes to like set up boundaries or containers or whatever that is in your life that's depleting you. And not to rush through.

Kim Romain (24:51)
Mm-hmm.

Louise (25:09)
Right? All of the things to say, but what's filling my bucket? But it's understanding, okay, what are those, what are those little small spoons? Right? It's almost like the taster spoon, the pink spoon that you get at that with cream choc.

Kim Romain (25:19)
⁓ I

love those tiny spoons. When I was in Italy, I always used the tiny spoons with the tiny cups and it was awesome. And I didn't even feel like a giant. Yeah. Yeah. This is your 1 16th teaspoon. It's so interesting because going back to the piece that I was reading earlier today, right? It's how do you hold

Louise (25:24)
Right.

It's tiny spoons that really make a big difference.

Kim Romain (25:46)
The world is on fire and I want to do something about it. And I just want to turn it off and I just want to be with my family and, and pay attention to what's closest to me that I love. And that brings me joy. How do we serve? How do we show up in this world? It's the micro things. It's not all or nothing. It's, it's little bits of all of it. Because, you know, for those of us, and this is right, the world that I play in, for those of us that are making social impact and social change in the world.

It's a hard time to be doing that and taking care of yourself because everything feels big. And what if we were to approach each of these things with saying, okay, today I'm going to use my teaspoon over here. It's bigger than my 16th, but I have a teaspoon that I can use over here. But over here, I only have the 16th or the eighth that I can use. So looking at that spoon and looking at the size of the spoon and saying, I'm just going to take small bits.

one day at a time. And then that moves us from, that moves the needle from surviving to fine to, can breathe.

Louise (26:54)
because it's like we have all the spoons that we need. We have every size that we need. We even have cups that we can use. And so it is about that recognition of like what do I have in my baking supplies that can be pulled out to help in this moment.

Kim Romain (27:09)
Hmm.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. How are you feeling now? I know when we were talking when we started, you were like, fuck all tired. How are you feeling now?

Louise (27:21)
I still need a nap. Don't get me wrong.

Kim Romain (27:23)
Okay, I

hope you get one.

Louise (27:26)
And, you know, it's too about the recognition of I don't have to move mountains. I don't have to, right, like change all kinds of things. What are some of the small things that makes me feel accomplished? That's usually what I like to feel like at the end of the day, like I've done something. And so it doesn't have to be cups.

of things that I tackle today, maybe it is just the tiny teaspoons or maybe all that I have accessible to me today is the little pink taster spoons and that's okay because it is going to be tiny drops that make a difference. Yeah, yeah, how about you?

Kim Romain (28:05)
Yeah, for sure.

Well, I came in having been playing calendar Jenga for not Jenga calendar Tetris for a while. I just pulled one and it all falls apart. So it is, it is a little bit of both Tetris and Jenga, but it is, which feels quite overwhelming to me. And, that sense of

Louise (28:15)
It could be Jenga. When it all falls down.

Yeah.

Kim Romain (28:31)
I get the opportunity to hold space in this way. That's why there's so much on my calendar is a lot of holding of space. And if I'm doing that, in what ways, how do I reach in to get the tablespoon or the cup that I then can sip from so I can be cared for while I'm doing it, right? And understanding, right, in the big scheme of things,

The weeks that I'm playing Tetris in my calendar on, it's not forever. It's just a short period of time. caring for myself in that process in a different way that maybe isn't the ultimate of what I want, which I had mentioned to you before we started recording, which is that place of pouring into me on a more regular basis. I don't have that set up as I'm going into this period. So what can I do on a smaller,

teaspoon size that will support me energetically. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. I love when we have these conversations where we're actually receiving as much as we're giving. I feel like it's most of our conversations and yet this, you know, both of us showed up a little, a little raw today.

for our own reasons and the Cosmos definitely was not helping at the time of this recording. But knowing that through dialogue, we're helping each other and hopefully we're helping those that are listening as well.

Louise (29:56)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks listener for coming along on the ride. And we're gonna find the little micro ⁓ video that we did in the show notes because those are really great. There's some good stuff there. Yeah.

Kim Romain (30:05)
I'll put the link to it.

There was, absolutely.

know, coming up on 200 episodes, we definitely have talked about more than one thing over those years, and there's a lot of great content out there. A lot of great content.

Louise (30:23)
I know. I

know. And look at us actually remembering that we did those things. It's like, I'm all impressed with ourselves. It's like, holy yeah, we did do that. Yeah, yeah. So maybe I'm not as exhausted as I think I am because my brain was sharp.

Kim Romain (30:39)
Good job.

Louise (30:40)
Yeah, yeah. So, all right, everyone. Thanks for tuning in today.

Kim Romain (30:44)
Take care for now.